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Comics - The Future of the Past Pt. 25 - October 25th, 2010, 9:05 pm

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Afrohawkman, October 25th, 2010, 9:09 pm

Take a step back and review games with me.
Man this was like the hardest chapter to write for me. I love writing for Zelda but putting exactly what I want her to say in words isn't as easy as it looks. (Except panel two, that was fun)

But on the topic Zelda speaks of, ignoring the villains side, the heroes aren't exactly that valiant. Think about it; the Zelda series pretty much thrives on killing everything you see, stealing money from people's houses (though the killing may be evil things) and taking tedious quests that people are too lazy to do on their own. The Mario series is pretty much destroying an entire army just to save one woman and occasionally doing tedious quests that people are too lazy to do on their own. The Kirby series...Kirby devours anyone and everyone. The only one who isn't really a true culprit of this is the Sonic series because not only is he saving animals but he's just destroying machines that an evil mastermind made. Though you could say he's still destroying millions of dollars in machinery, he's only really negatively affecting one person, not like all the others. He's still guilty of the taking tedious quests but only in the later games so he's pretty much good.

They all do it for a good cause, but did you ever wonder what happens afterward? There's a reason why the story just ends there; it gets ugly after all is said and done.

Then we have the outsiders like Waddle-Chu and Morph who are pretty innocent. Those poor guys. They're too new to the game. I don't know what Nephina has done but based on her profile it's better to ask what she hasn't done.

Also I finished Kirby's Epic Yarn. Seriously epic game. It may not be the traditional Kirby game but it's a damn good one. Go pick yourself up a copy if you're waning over it. It's not the hardcore Kirby game you're looking for, but it is a great stressless adventure full of fun.




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Afrohawkman, October 25th, 2010, 11:26 pm


Y'know, I have to wonder if anyone got what the joke in Panel 3 was. ;3




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Lord Enigma, October 25th, 2010, 9:23 pm


It's true the heroes can be rather naughty.

Then again it can be said the person playing the game is the one causing the damage. I mean it's not like you have to do most of the stuff you mentioned.


Freakazoid, October 25th, 2010, 9:24 pm


you, know i never thought of it like that...


Harrow, October 25th, 2010, 9:29 pm


Cucco killerrr
Also mutating innocent animals with them mystery seeds.


megasxlr, October 25th, 2010, 10:41 pm

lol
nice bit of philo there pal, quite the Nietzschean style. i applaude ure move. and fyi, i do study philosophy and i read the stuff here. call it mental masochisim :D


Afrohawkman, October 25th, 2010, 11:03 pm


@Lord Enigma: I think the possibility of those options existing in the game means they can be done. They may or may not be, but considering your options, I'd say they wouldn't be complete saints.

@megasxlr: Thanks, I was hoping someone would get a kick out of this. :3


Harrow, October 26th, 2010, 12:54 am


And, epic princess rescue commence? :D


Djoing, October 26th, 2010, 1:34 am


I don't think Sonic and Mario characters never hurt anything else than bad guys.


Supersheep64, October 26th, 2010, 5:05 am

@DJ
oh so ALL goombas are evil?
Don't you supose people were storing coins and power ups in those blocks for themselves? they dont grow on trees, y'know.
Plus all those smashed TV screens have to be payed for. Who's gonna pay for them? the Taxpayers, thats who!

And Kirby Isn't even awake to feel remorse for his actions, the lucky bastard!


Neon-J, October 26th, 2010, 5:52 am

@Supersheep64
Sure, mushrooms and flowers don't grow on trees, but they DO grow in the ground. :3 (And the Leaf powerup grows on trees. :P)

But yeah. We found a reason for Sonic to be guilty! Yay! XD

... Random TV screens placed in a forest. Who watches TV in a forest?!


StarMario777 & ChaosSonic777, October 26th, 2010, 7:02 am


Zelda is stupid as hell -_-

even IF she kills them all, it wouldn't stop the trend. new heros and villains would just appear, creating the cycle all over again.

besides, shadow would kick her ass before she got the chance


Ryuchael, October 26th, 2010, 7:40 am


I think I got the joke... aren't they to young to do... "that"?

Edit: I just thought of something... don't those piles of scattered robot parts affect the enviroment?

and it doesn't count the 'actions' of the anti-heroes


Afrohawkman, October 26th, 2010, 8:32 am


@StarMario: Uhh...Shadow's HELPING her. He wouldn't stop...y'know what you're going to figure that out next page anyway.

Still, that is a major concern that I thought of as far as reincarnation of the trend was concerned. I had a response to it a little while ago, but for now I won't say anything as I'm curious if any of my fans knows what I could be thinking. ;3

@Ryu: No, but I'm assuming you know what "that" is. :D


SolaratheHedgehog, October 26th, 2010, 8:55 am


ouch ;3;
damn Zelda just went guru on our asses


Story teller, Astralle, October 26th, 2010, 9:04 am


wow, I'd hate to be in that room right now. And is zelda going crazy or something?


Zak TH is lazy (Guest), October 26th, 2010, 9:14 am


Well, Link And Kirby and Link do it out of self defense.

But thinkng abou it, You meet a lot of nice goombas and koopas in the RPGs, and mario is really a Stomp-first-question-later kind of guy.


MEEP GOD, October 26th, 2010, 9:22 am


I have argument towards Zelda to be ignored...

Kirby: The enemies always come back, I don't think the people he sucks up really die when it happens... especially when you think about brawl... but that was partially due to make the game fair maybe...

Mario: He's only guilty of peach breaking Bowser's heart... kinda... not to mention Zelda is killing herself and peach, who are princesses who are the future of their kingdoms, an innocent little rabbit who isn't even a teen yet, and a piece of cake, who's only goal in life was to be eaten by Kirby.


Aurax (Guest), October 26th, 2010, 10:11 am


...Zelda, you bloody hypocrite.
You want to save people, but you also want to kill people while doing that.
She should really leave this to the doctor. When he's not busy battling daleks. amd cybermen. and sontarans. and the master. and- *Shot*
MY POINT IS, WE NEED THE DOCTOR!


Maowe, October 26th, 2010, 10:21 am


@Aurax: Dr. Mario to be right...

But... I never actually thought of games like that...Good call though.


James Birdsong (Guest), October 26th, 2010, 11:08 am


I do believe the Sovereign of Sorrow is in Zelda. Or perhaps Shadow Queen. Okay most likely is this is just Zelda character fet up and with a brain. A princess that has seen it all. Many times (every Hyrulian princess maybe since time began is/was Zelda)


Afrohawkman, October 26th, 2010, 12:58 pm


@Aurux: It's a "take over the world to save the world" type of logic. It's hard to explain. It has its holes in logic but that's the basic gist of it.


Terminal Devastation, October 26th, 2010, 2:22 pm


ZELDA of all people should know this won't work.

She's bloody naive to think there'd be no cost. The damage a hero causes is cost of safety.
ANd for that matter... those side quests? Are probably problems that people are UNABLE to solve themselves, even if they tried. I mean most of the time there are MONSTERS waiting to attack them should they leave town. I mean who's to say they wouldn't have gone to solve them if they could. Really. They try to solve their own problems most of the time. And frankly, I think most of them would just get someone ELSE to do it.

Second issue: The only result this can have is ending the trend through TOTAL ANNIHILATION OF AT LEAST 4 Kingdoms/Worlds. And Likely more due to chain reactions.

Kirby's major villains aren't EVEN in the tower. Destroying it wouldn't kill them. Even if they were... I'm not even sure explosives CAN hurt them, no matter how big.
Pop star sorta needs Kirby. And Dedede for than matter.

Its useless for Hyrule... as a new Link will eventually arise... but there might not be a zelda to help him. Or just a new zelda too. ANd... the real Vaati's not really in the tower.
He'll just mop up and take over. Or someone else will. HECK someone might revive Ganon. AGAIN. Useless action is useless.

Mushroom kingdom is second only to kirby in getting the short end of this stick. HOW many villains other than Bowser do they have? In fact, I'd say they'd get wrecked first if they lose Mario and Luigi. Not as badly as popstar eventually would.

Seriously... heroes only appear if their world actually needs them. If their world doesn't need them... the hero's either retire... or become the villains themselves and are overthrown.

Time for somebody to disarm the self destruct switch.

Seriously... Did zelda eat stupid evil soup recently?
Please tell me someone either stabs/slaps her smart again.


Afrohawkman, October 26th, 2010, 2:57 pm


I love your comment, but hate your tone.
EDIT: I take it back, I hate your comment too, but I like you voicing your opinion.

You're going off of the assumption that Zelda knows everything about the other worlds. She probably has a very limited view on how the rest of them really work. I explained them in MY view, but hers is probably a lot less than that.

Alright, those side quests? Yeah uh...what the HELL are those guards in the towns doing then? HM!? Because I see a ton of them in just about every game and I have to wonder whether they're oblivious to the world or just lazy. They're lazy because there's no necessity; someone else will take care of it for them.

Furthermore, the idea of the whole system restarting, at least in the Zelda series, is that there had to be a DESCENDANT for the Triforce to continue throughout the years. True, Ganon can be revived, but ever wonder why he constantly looks for the Triforce? Because he can never be at full power without it. Moreover, the Gods themselves still exist; they're not completely dead either.

Second Issue: You're missing the point here. The idea she's thinking of is that the same people and the same problem keeps arising over and over again. Ganon rises, Link takes him down. Eggman rises, Sonic takes him down. Rinse and repeat for the most part.

Kirby and Mario have their differences, as I've noted, but the problem isn't that they're needed, it's that no one else really steps up. Think about it; the Toads in New Super Mario Bros. Wii easily stepped up as substitute Marios and helped out. You mean to tell me that they couldn't do that in the first place? Why? Why couldn't they? Because they figured "Oh hey, Mario's got it, we don't have to do anything."

On Kirby's end, uhh...Helper to Hero anyone? There are TONS of animals in the Kirby land who could've done what Kirby did just by banning together. Why didn't they? They were under the influence of Dedede. Of course not all of them were, but you get what I'm trying to say. Now granted, they too can be considered heroes, but nothing like Kirby. Either way, that shows that Kirby wasn't NEEDED, he just did everything.

Right of course, Vaati. About Vaati. Let me think about th- Oh wait he's frozen in that sword isn't he? And the only way he can get out is if someone pulls out that sword right? Well hopefully no one does it. It's bound to happen eventually, but at least there's no Zelda right?

The Mushroom Kingdom has its villains, certainly, but they almost always revolve around Bowser. If you feel like responding, name a few off for me and I can see what I can tell you, but honestly, I don't feel like remembering any of them. Though most of them are kind of dead/disintegrated so choose carefully.

Heroes don't appear if the world need them. They appear if the rest of the world simply doesn't step up. Look at history; the idea of most influential figures usually revolves around a single person BEING SUPPORTED BY MANY, MANY OTHERS. Meanwhile the Lone hero is just some random kid who takes all the responsibility on his shoulders.

This may not be the perfect plan here eliminate the overall trend, but it's a start. I didn't want to really argue this because it has its flaws, as I've said, but it damn well doesn't just fall apart and it DAMN WELL isn't deserving of someone STABBING HER just to make her SMART in YOUR eyes.

Seriously.


Raging Ghost, October 26th, 2010, 4:13 pm


The world can't exist without chaos, justice and stuff like that.

If Zelda destroys that, she destroys the worlds. The best way to stop it is...

...ah screw it. Just crush anything on your way to stop her. If necessary, the use of lethal weapons are authorized.


Hero of Comedy, October 26th, 2010, 5:21 pm


This is making me feel more guilty than the 'Ode to Minions' did!!


Afrohawkman, October 26th, 2010, 6:19 pm


She's not destroying chaos, just large amounts of chaos.


StarMario777 & ChaosSonic777, October 26th, 2010, 7:56 pm


@Afrohawkman: i'm not talking about riencarnation, i'm talking about other villains appearing. Wart, Wario (yes, he technically counts), Eggman Nega, Dark Mind, Nightmare, and those are only from the games here: I'm not even getting into the other games. And an anti-climax is not the way to end all this. If anything, it would make this comic worse. So yeah, I hope something bad happens.


Guest, October 26th, 2010, 8:27 pm


You guys all realize that Mario and the rest of the heroes have more than one life right...


Afrohawkman, October 26th, 2010, 8:28 pm


Wart, Nightmare and Dark Mind aren't coming back for a while. As for Eggman Nega, technically speaking, if we combine the storylines of Sonic Rush and '06, Eggman Nega IS Eggman from the future, at least in my opinion. Either way, Blaze is still around. And Wario...idk. He's kind of an anti-hero. Depends on the situation.

@Guest: This guy is my hero.


Terminal Devastation, October 26th, 2010, 8:28 pm


I apologize for my tone. Hopefully this one is better. The stabing part was meant partly in jest, partly in irony, and the over all tone is meant for dramatic effect.
(Zelda is currently a villian herself with that logic, and heroes stab villains. And if the villain ever wins its always incredibly bad.)

Now for some retort and clarification.

First clarifications:
I'm going of the fact Zelda, as the owner of the Triforce of wisdom is supposed to be wise.
Even if she doesn't know JACK about other kingdoms and heck even most of her own, she should at least be wise enough to know this won't solve the problem in the end and/or create other problems and/or be morally wrong. Frankly any of the other captives would have worked better for this speech, provided Zelda isn't possessed or anything. Granted its a bit of an artistic choice, but still... Triforce of wisdom.

Second: I understand her point of view clearly, she sees the cycle and has thought of a way to break it. Would it break the cycle she sees. Maybe in the short term. Maybe not.


Now a few retorts:
The triforce doesn't need any descendants? Where is this fact coming from? If there is actually a place where that is actually said in game mind you, disregard this paragraph, as I conceed this point. Lack of Hylian royality would AT BEST, move the triforce of wisdom to some sage somewhere and the triforce of courage to the next link. At worse the triforce itself would remain in the tower crater or maybe be split up as it tends to do, since ganon is dead... all three would be unclaimed.

As for the stepping up... Okay fine, there's a valid point there. But what if it is fear not laziness that is actually keeping them from stepping up?
In that case, the heroes are helping matters. I'll admit there is a few lazy people out there, and there's probably a few that are just trying to save some effort. But let's face it, if I remember my Mario lore correctly, Bowser had already practically defeated the mushroom kingdom, so maybe a lot of Toads DID step up then, and were defeated/killed. Add the fact that Toads are canonically timid (seriously, how many scared toads have we seen?), and its MUCH more likely the mushroom kingdom let's Mario handle it because he's really the only one who can at the moment, since everyone else is too cowardly and simply won't step up, even without a hero to help them. Your example of the two toads even supports this more... as just maybe they were inspired by Mario's heroics, and became braver. If Mario suddenly died... morale would plummet, and the mushroom kingdom would be nigh defenseless again.

After thinking about how to retort on the Kirby series side. I have to concede something huge here. Most likely, Kirby isn't needed. However, as I realised my mistake I also started realizes that the kirby series isn't a usually a case of no one stepping up (A few exceptions apply). Most of the time Kirby is only solving the problem by chance. Cases in point: Nightmare in dreamland... he's actually wrecking Dedede's solution to stop Nightmare due to a misunderstanding about Dedede's intentions. Right place at the right time for the right reasons. Crystal Shards: One... First to step up is the fairies... And kirby is only the first to step up. Everyone else stepped up after they knew about the problem.
Superstar? Asked by Marx. Stopping Metaknight from taking over, despite Meta's good intentions.
Dreamland 3 is a bit odd. Namely if more people stepped up, the problem wouldn't have been solved. I also believe that its more Kirby being just helpful rather than doing everything for everyone, and that most of the things he ended up doing would have ended up done anyways. I can prove one. He helped Samus Aran. I dare you to say she's too lazy to get things done.

As for Vaati. He's pretty much just an example of a surviving villain not in the tower. Not really much more. The only reason I brought him up is that he could be freed in the future... or is already free.

Hrm... Extra Mushroom kingdom villains that aren't dead. I could be silly and say guys like Popple and Booster, but they are rather minor. I want to say King Boo, since he's a dead guy anyways, and appeared again AFTER Luigi's mansion. My best answer... The next villain. A weakened kingdom is sure to attract SOME random villain. Heck, maybe Tataga. Or Cranky kong. JK.

As for why heroes appear... I'm also including heroes like police and fire fighters. Really anyone who does step up for the things that matter. If there is no need to step up, then there is no need for the heroes. No crime, no police. Simple as that.
Also I need to point out these lone heroes aren't unsupported. There's the hopes and dreams of the people they are fighting for. And thats MANY MANY OTHERS. Not everyone CAN step up in the same way. Do you really expect a small army of little old lady's to attack ganon? Or the entire city guard to leave their posts to go after the villain?
Seriously, the guards in hyrule are doing their job. The towns are mostly if not completely monster free.


Guest, October 26th, 2010, 8:33 pm


@Afro

thanks


Afrohawkman, October 26th, 2010, 8:48 pm


I'm pretty sure the triforce has something to do with descendants based on Zelda II's progression, but the game is so backwards that I honestly don't know. However, considering that Link is always getting the Triforce somehow, and Zelda, being Royal Family, always has another piece, I assume it's based on progression. If there were another case where someone completely random got it then I wouldn't be making that claim.

The problem with the Mario series is that in the beginning, we didn't really know whether or not the Mushroom Kingdom had been defeated or not; for all we know, those Koopas could've just been walking around just because. There's no real line between Bowser's Kingdom and the Mushroom Kingdom because we don't know who belongs in what area. I suppose toads SHOULD belong in one place and goombas in the other, but how do we know that? What even made them be considered 'evil'? Moreover, we could consider toads canonically timid, but can we consider ALL of them to be timid? Every single one of them? They're a race of humanoid beings; I don't think they're completely useless.

The thing with Mario dying is that until Mario comes back, no one really knows what happened to him, nor Peach or Bowser. From there on, what will the kingdoms do? Most of the higher level leaders are already in this castle, so it's mostly the lower levels 'ruling' now. That's what the idea is; a kingdom ruling over itself, not by others. Of course, who's to say whether or not someone will take over? That's all up to them. If they're willing to make a thriving society by themselves, then so be it. But if they're willing to live on their own, they should be able to survive on their own. Mario's stepped up enough to show that any one man can do what he wants; why can't they see that and become mighty warriors?

Kirby is, yeah, by chance. He literally just happens to be doing nothing when someone messes with him and he does something about it. Still...he kills a ton of things, evil or not evil. You can't even consider Waddle Dees evil if you've played Kirby's Epic Yarn. They're so innocent it's adorable.

Kirby's case is pretty unique. After all he doesn't really happen to be doing anything and he doesn't really care as long as he gets to his objective. I'm not saying Zelda's believing every single thing she said about every single person there. Look at Sonic, we can barely make that claim.

Cranky Kong taking over would be the most hilarious thing ever. But Donkey Kong's still alive so it's all good.

Ahh...see you're confusing Zelda's definition and your own definition of 'hero'. The regular definition of hero is anyone who steps up to the plate and helps out for the greater good regardless of what may come to him. Zelda's definition is more like a person going to extraordinary feats to take down an extraordinary evil because for some reason you're chosen to do that. The heroes Zelda speaks of only exists when there is an extraordinary villain.

The hopes and dreams of other people wasn't what I meant when I considered the other heroes of history. I meant actual supporters; people who also helped out though may or may not have been recognized. Behind the scenes people.

The guards probably do help out, that much is true, and I certainly don't expect them to leave (unless of course they don't actually do anything), but the rest of the population should be making its own choices about the world.

I think what I'm getting at is that the reason heroes, by Zelda's definition, truly arise, is that an extraordinary evil rises AND that everyone else doesn't want to step up. Zelda wants to eliminate this entire process and in the case some evil arises, the people can take care of it on their own with their own power.

...WHO helped Samus Aran?

EDIT: Y'know what, I might as well just say this now; I'm defending this point not because I truly believe it, but so it seems like I am. That should be enough of a hint. And so should that. And that.


Zeroflare, October 26th, 2010, 11:55 pm

Vatti
wasnt he sealed in the Four Swrod and since there are 4 links im guessing he used the Four Sword and freed Vatti, so in theory Vatti coudl step up and take over Hyrule


Terminal Devastation, October 27th, 2010, 6:40 am


Yeah I kinda figured your reasoning Afro.

More retorts:
Well... Zelda II actually disproves the whole descendant theory. Its actually a direct sequel to LoZ, so its the same Link... different Zelda. He already found Zelda's triforce and took Ganon's Triforce and the whole game is Link trying to get the Triforce of Courage so he can wake up the (possibly first) Zelda (If I recall correctly the princess is name zelda due to a tradition formed after the Zelda in Zelda II was put into a deep spell.) The REAL reason the "same" people keep getting the same triforce pieces is because the individual pieces are attracted to certain qualities. Triforce of wisdom is attracted to the wisest person, and for some odd reason the princesses Hyrule royal family inherent a super wisdom gene (its also passed down directly like a family heirloom for its protection, since the females of the royal family has the light force which is pretty strong in itself).The Triforce of courage is attracted to the bravest and thus its always found near or found by the hero. Triforce of power is attracted to those who value power above all else, thus ganon got it.

Mario series. Okay, I'll state here I have no way of comfirming this, but I've heard this several times so... You know those floating blocks in SMB? Supposedly they used to be toads. Thats right, they are made from the corpses/made from magically transformed Toads. The goombas betrayed the mushroom kingdom, thus why they were evil (NOTE: Good goombas do appear in the series and Mario leaves them alone.)

Yeah not all of the toads are timid but most are. I mean, SMRPG, they did nothing because they are too scared, even when one claimed to own a rocket launcher. I mean if your still too scared and or weak to deal with a shyguy on a pogo stick... Well, they kinda need a hero. MAYBE a few toads might step up without Mario. But could they handle everything?

Kirby series: Yes. Samus Aran made a cameo in Dreamland 3, and Kirby helped her out by killing a few metroids in the area.

Fine then, I'll use Zelda's definition of hero for these next parts.
HYrule's specific case: Link usually only steps up for 2 reasons he's already involved OR he's ASKED to because someone realized a normal person couldn't do it. Asking and convincing the right people to help if you are unable to. ANd ironically, the asker is usually Zelda herself. He'd probably be pretty normal otherwise. Heck if Zelda wanted to break the cycle... why doesn't she just ask a bunch of people other than Link? Then there's the issue with the fact Hyrule extraordinary evils tend to require a specific weapon to defeat. And there's really only two swords of Evil's bane, maybe three. Better suited for single hero than a large group of people. At least the for the final battle. And you'd only want your best fighters for that.

But if you must have behind the scenes people...
Mario: the toads who tell him the princess is in another castle, E.GADD, All those random people that help him in RPGs with equipment.
Link: Navi, The people who teach him how to fight, the fairies that heal him and give him stuff, that one silly bat from LttP, the sages, Malon, Romani, Impa, Great Deku tree, King of Red lions, Tingle.
Kirby:Adeleine, Waddle dee, those people he helped, FOOD CHIEFS EVERYWHERE.

My point is that only a few people are fighting because only a few people CAN fight. Thats their jobs. The rest of the people are better suited for less violent tasks. Think of all the military spending Hyrule and the Mushroom kingdom is saving by having such a small military force. And the causilities prevented? War's pretty costly, and they've found a way to make it far cheeper for them than every one fighting.

Now I really hope Zelda doesn't know this, or her logic is truly messed up, but, isn't the only big Extraordinary evil in the room Ganon? Bowser and Dedede are like on the bottom step of evil in their worlds. They're the most common, but every time a new one comes up, they're helping to beat it. Or at least trying. Or possessed by it.
Eggman nega is also a factor. (Yes I know there's Blaze and a few others, but Zelda's logic dictates they too should die.)

[Edit]Something just struck me as odd; Why is there a self destruct in the first place? I believe Ganon's the only one that has tried anything of the sort, and he just uses his own power to collapse the tower. Just curious here. And yes, because its needed for the plot is completely valid answer.

And a final note: Someone should make a comic with cranky taking over.


Aurax (Guest), October 27th, 2010, 10:18 am

@Afrohawkman
Ah. well, screw logic is what I always say. Along with, "Would you like a jelly baby?"
...In fact, would anyone like a jelly baby right now?
@Maowe
I meant THE doctor. In the TARDIS. the time lord from the planet Gallifrey in the constellation of castabrus.


Afrohawkman, October 27th, 2010, 11:56 am


@Zeroflare: It's hard to say whether or not you're right here. True, you're right on the fact that they do have the Four Sword, but I never determined whether or not it was the real Four Sword and kind of don't plan on it. The reason being is that if that were true, then that means Link also has the real Master Sword. However, then that means he's only carrying one of them, in which I would have to decide which one he was carrying, which I didn't want to do. It's hard to explain.

@Terminal Devastation:

Yeah I don't even know why I brought up Zelda II. I never understood what was going on it and assumed someone knew something about it. Still, you gotta admit, if by some way the Triforce was given to some other random person instead of Royal Family and 'Link' then the entire succession thing will fall apart.

As for Ganon, I think he just stole it at some point. I don't know.

If that's true of the Mario series then that's really...really morbid. I highly doubt that would the case for a video game. I mean...wow. That's just...awful.

The problem here isn't that Zelda believes they will handle everything based on their current traits. She believes that being forced into the situation requires the necessity of standing up, gathering their courage and fighting rather than sitting around doing nothing. However, by eliminating the MAIN threats, they won't have to deal with something extreme, at least not right away.

Dreamland 3 is a game I've never played so I don't even know how to approach that.

The problem with using the past Zelda and the Zelda now is that the past Zelda didn't realize what she does now. She probably would have asked others to step up if she had those ideas in her head before. However, since she was fed the prophecies throughout her life, she thought the only way to get the job done was to fulfill said prophecy.

Behind the scenes people:
Mario: The toads who tell him the pri- what? No, they were captured. E.GADD is cool. Those random people usually give him stuff for some task or SELL it to him. Which kind of sucks considering he's the great hero but whatever.

Link: Navi...I guess counts. I'm not sure. If there are people who can teach him to fight, why don't THEY help? Fairies are sentient beings and don't really count as people in this equation, the bat from LttP what is this I don't even, Impa was kind of Zelda's helper, Great Deku Tree...didn't fight, he died, King of Red Lions was under a curse and was also the King so he sorta had to help, and Tingle...I guess was sorta helpful.

Kirby: The first 2 characters only count for Crystal Shards. They didn't show up in any of the other games. Food Chiefs everywhere?

Zelda probably suspects that because they're working with Ganon that they're pretty high up, at least considering they got all these heroes' attentions. Bowser isn't THAT low; he's kind of the main villain at least. He may not be Ganon powerful but he has his minions and he's pretty strong. Dedede...yeah good point. He's pretty low. Eggman's not too bad either but he's still up there. They're not low level grunts dude; they're the main arch-villains.

By Zelda's logic though, she probably would want to kill off Blaze and Nega but she doesn't know they exist. Limited view of the world, remember?

The self-destruct thing has its place in plot, but that's not the specific reason. It gets explained in a bit, worry not good sir.

I think I'm done for a while, I have a comic to write.


StarMario777 & ChaosSonic777, October 27th, 2010, 12:37 pm


his may be to late, but there is one factor that zelda isn't considering: what if the villains decided this is the final battle. what if they decided "you know what? if we don't win, let's make sure the heros don't either!" and made the self-destruct bomb biggger than normal. what if it, say, DESTROYS THE ENTIRE PLANET!? I'm not saying zelda should know about this, but i'm pretty sure that the bad guys mentioned that this would be it. and besides, shouldn't zelda be thinking about how much damage SHE would do if she activated it? just a thought.


Afrohawkman, October 27th, 2010, 12:41 pm


You're onto something extremely interesting. Here's your answer: She isn't. She's not thinking of the damage it could do.

And that's all I'm saying on this subject.


gameboy+micron, October 27th, 2010, 6:44 pm


I'm hoping my girlfriend says that when we start that up.

I'm hoping she says that and MEANS IT.


Alienoid, December 2nd, 2011, 12:25 am


@Blue Link:
Nope. Not karma.

THIS.

IS.

SPARTAAAAAAA! *bricked*


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